Had's main topic was about the intuitive nature of animals. But she had a picture of a dog peeing on an Obama political sign as an example of how intuitive animals can be. Though I have a distaste for politics, I in-general support Obama. This is my rhetoric.
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I realize that the picture of the dog peeing on the Obama sign is meant to be whimsical; but it has an anti-Obama feeling to it. Perhaps the dog just doesn't like politics in-general; I don't. .... Good Boy!!!
Regarding the election of Obama:
No one had a real choice. McCain (proven criminal) or Obama
Cheney illegally allocated over 12 Billion dollars of taxpayer money to his corporation Halliburton. If we steal $10 we go to jail. So that gives you some idea of what Obama is up against.
The Republicans bled over $3 Trillion [correction: $11.5 trillion] dollars out of the US economy over a 5 year period. I'll never vote for another Republican ever again. They better come up with another Political Party, because I'm a Democrat now [correction: Democrat/Independent]; used to vote for some Republicans. But the Republicans I voted for didn't do anything to stop Bush and Cheney from raping America.[Rep: Heather Wilson]
At least Obama didn't seem to be a criminal.
Given the very complex relationships of environment, employment, business, international relationships, resource utilization, renewable energy development,... I doubt very much that I personally would do any better than Obama.
Did you know that 70% of every dollar we pay for fuel, goes to the US Governement?
So what are they spending all that money on?
Did you know that you pay interest on every dollar produced by the Federal Reserve Bank? And that the Federal Reserve Bank is a private corporation? Whose pocket does all that money go into?
Obama is having to deal with some very powerful people and corporations. I am more supportive because I think Obama is trying NOT to be corrupt, in a very corrupt environment.
There is no significant ethical structure in our political system.
Smile We agree at this-- " I have a distaste for politics too." I don't share your view on the other. I'm a conservationist. I do not favor a party. I am no stranger to politics neither, nor on Obama. I have actually seen and talk to this man many times. How many can say that? He is not what he likes to appear as to others. Than many are not are they? I was brought up in a very law and political family--I don't mean their views but their work.
In honest man could not get in office today. He has to be crooked from the start.
Not sure there is a lesser of two evils here (Bush -Obama) when both share the same traits that are the cause of all the ills of the world--selfishness and greed.
I agree that politicians must conform to the system to be successful. But other than changing the seeds of fundemental consciousness, what can we do?
Obama may be corrupt, but within my small frame of reference, he was a better choice than McCain.
I very much would like to have you post what you can find relating to Obama's corrupt practices. I'm sure he has some. Again, to be successful as a politician you must be corrupt. But I personally haven't taken the time to find those articles.
Please post what you understand, whether 100% correct or not. Your perspectives are important to me. They form the seeds by which my own awareness grows.
Send? these assertions should be followed by the evidence that you hint that you have. Share it with all who have read your charges of corruption. These veiled and shady charges smack of the Tea Party signs.
hadenough1 wrote on Mar 7, '10, edited on Mar 7, '10
I don't just assume things. I am neither party. Do I need proof of that too or do some people know it all already? ? Nor do I get in useless debates. Well you must know enough unless your blind and can't hear
His associations would be a good start And his lies in knowing them--fact!
To many lies
His missing papers (perhaps you can supply links) Could you please help me find these things? I had to supply them by Law when I had a State Job. (congress shall make no law which applies to others and not them--that is in the Constitution)
1. Occidental College records -- Not released 2. Columbia College records -- Not released 3. Columbia Thesis paper -- "Not available" 4. Harvard College records -- Not released 5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released 6. Medical records -- Not released 7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- Not available 8. Illinois State Senate records -- Not available 9. Law practice client list -- Not released 10. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released (not a health certificate from the Health Department which no other agency would accept as B, C.. By the way-look on web and see how much has been freuded here. I don't do others people's homework for them)) 11. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth by hospital of birth -- Not released 12. Record of baptism -- Not available
Something fishy there. I'm not even saying he is not a citizen but he is HIDING something. Maybe his qualification for a job he isn't qualified for--maybe something else.
13. Why wife, Michelle, can no longer practice law as an attorney? Insurance Fraud? Do people know?
14. Why wife has 22 assistants, when other First Ladies had one?
15. Why he was getting "foreign student aid" as a college student?
16. Which countries "passport" did he have when he visited Pakistan in 1981?
Oh and one more thing. I can't seem to find any articles he published as editor of the Harvard Law Review, or as a Professor at the University of Chicago. someone got one? Can I see it. An actual one
>>>>*****How about not webs saying this or that, "no hear-say like I saw them or was his roommate or someone confirmed this or that (oh bother)--lets just see some papers****<<<<
How about his sweet ways with a country that has been outwardly hostile to us and others and putting us down for the same?
The same Muslims I read about every day I can read dozens of stories of Muslim men killing their sisters, wives and daughters for their family "honor;" of Muslims rioting over some slight offense; of Muslims murdering Christian and Jews because they aren't "believers;" of Muslims burning schools for girls; of Muslims stoning teenage rape victims to death for "adultery;" of Muslims mutilating the genitals of little girls; all in the name of Allah, because they think that is what Qur'an and Shari'a law tells them to.. The same ones I'm be told that out of "tolerance for other cultures" we must let Saudi Arabia use our oil money to fund mosques and madrassa Islamic schools to preach Hate in America , while no American group is allowed to fund a church, synagogue or religious school in Saudi Arabia to teach love and tolerance. Even Oprah has had shows on that. That is on the web too--try her site. Are we to be so tolerant that a Leader can't address this properly? Do you know he attended every Muslim festival in Illinois?
What was the last time we burned and buried women here? Or cut off their heads? If that was happening here and now even in isolated areas--you can bet there would be an out-roar.
Like that their church keeps saying they are peaceful. And they accept that. Since when ? That is not their history. Must be foolish too to believe something where there is no history or facts or foundation to support it.
By the way--I have some good Muslim friends on my page--so don't say I am raciest. They are honest enough to look at themselves and country well.
Shady and veiled charges--NO---concern like every thinking person should be when someone isn't right and call it out. I could go on and on and on I see signs very well. I don't support bad which is why I don't take a party. I'm a Conservationist.
We all seen the links on both sides enough on the web-both contradicting the other. Useless and pointless to close minds. Let's see some actual acceptable papers and facts
This isn't Rocket Science that something isn't right
Who I care to share more with is my business and why--I'm not in office representing others
A good barker doesn't male a good dog nor does a good talker make a good man
jamesbdunn wrote on Mar 7, '10, edited on Mar 7, '10
We don't have control over the national efforts of politicians. But we can have influence as the seeds of change.
Your public school system can be mandated to teach the "tools" of ethics.
One ethics tool teaches students how to reason through creating prodedural steps. In this way they learn to relate what is proposed as having holes or loopholes. This also teaches how to understand administrative practices.
Another ethics tool teaches students to relate the qualities of the environment in which a proposed outcome will need to exist, and to determine if what is proposed has a reasonable chance of creating or sustaining that envirnoment.
If ethics were taught throughout public school systems, the expectation of ethical behavior would be stronger. While the students would also learn how to more stongly influence their own lives.
We can attempt to have small impacts at a national scale, but we should also be influencing our smaller local world.
I teach these principles at a local 2-year college as part of every class that I teach or project that I administer.
Realize that people are innately corrupt and self-serving. Only intellectual revelations allow a person to act ethically. Most people have been taught in our school systems to be sheep; to work for the shepard (or the wolf). We as a people currently are not taught to be self-realizing; only if our parents were able to teach us these relationships. These self-realizing relationships are not taught in school; but they should be.
1. Occidental College records -- Not released 2. Columbia College records -- Not released 3. Columbia Thesis paper -- "Not available" 4. Harvard College records -- Not released 5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released 6. Medical records -- Not released 7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- Not available 8. Illinois State Senate records -- Not available 9. Law practice client list -- Not released 10. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released (not a health certificate from the Health Department which no other agency would accept as B, C.. By the way-look on web and see how much has been freuded here. I don't do others people's homework for them)) 11. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth by hospital of birth -- Not released 12. Record of baptism -- Not available
Something fishy there. I'm not even saying he is not a citizen but he is HIDING something. Maybe his qualification for a job he isn't qualified for--maybe something else.
13. Why wife, Michelle, can no longer practice law as an attorney? Insurance Fraud? Do people know?
14. Why wife has 22 assistants, when other First Ladies had one?
15. Why he was getting "foreign student aid" as a college student?
Thanks Hadi,
This will be enough for me to search for these relationships about Obama. But my major effort is still trying to keep up with work related issues which involve: creating and implementing renewable energy coursework, labwork, and curriculums; student internships, strategic planning, campus recycling program, outreach to remote communities (distance learning and economic development)...
I need 3 of me: . one to monitor and act to support our national efforts . one to make a living . one to have a personal life (family, art, music, culture...)
oops, I forgot to include: . local humanitarian efforts . global relief . international economic and human rights activities
I don't just assume things. I am neither party. Do I need proof of that too or do some people know it all already? ? Nor do I get in useless debates. Well you must know enough unless your blind and can't hear
His associations would be a good start And his lies in knowing them--fact!
To many lies
His missing papers (perhaps you can supply links) Could you please help me find these things? I had to supply them by Law when I had a State Job. (congress shall make no law which applies to others and not them--that is in the Constitution)
1. Occidental College records -- Not released 2. Columbia College records -- Not released 3. Columbia Thesis paper -- "Not available" 4. Harvard College records -- Not released 5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released 6. Medical records -- Not released 7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- Not available 8. Illinois State Senate records -- Not available 9. Law practice client list -- Not released 10. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released (not a health certificate from the Health Department which no other agency would accept as B, C.. By the way-look on web and see how much has been freuded here. I don't do others people's homework for them)) 11. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth by hospital of birth -- Not released 12. Record of baptism -- Not available
Something fishy there. I'm not even saying he is not a citizen but he is HIDING something. Maybe his qualification for a job he isn't qualified for--maybe something else.
13. Why wife, Michelle, can no longer practice law as an attorney? Insurance Fraud? Do people know?
14. Why wife has 22 assistants, when other First Ladies had one?
15. Why he was getting "foreign student aid" as a college student?
16. Which countries "passport" did he have when he visited Pakistan in 1981?
Oh and one more thing. I can't seem to find any articles he published as editor of the Harvard Law Review, or as a Professor at the University of Chicago. someone got one? Can I see it. An actual one
>>>>*****How about not webs saying this or that, "no hear-say like I saw them or was his roommate or someone confirmed this or that (oh bother)--lets just see some papers****<<<<
How about his sweet ways with a country that has been outwardly hostile to us and others and putting us down for the same?
The same Muslims I read about every day I can read dozens of stories of Muslim men killing their sisters, wives and daughters for their family "honor;" of Muslims rioting over some slight offense; of Muslims murdering Christian and Jews because they aren't "believers;" of Muslims burning schools for girls; of Muslims stoning teenage rape victims to death for "adultery;" of Muslims mutilating the genitals of little girls; all in the name of Allah, because they think that is what Qur'an and Shari'a law tells them to.. The same ones I'm be told that out of "tolerance for other cultures" we must let Saudi Arabia use our oil money to fund mosques and madrassa Islamic schools to preach Hate in America , while no American group is allowed to fund a church, synagogue or religious school in Saudi Arabia to teach love and tolerance. Even Oprah has had shows on that. That is on the web too--try her site. Are we to be so tolerant that a Leader can't address this properly? Do you know he attended every Muslim festival in Illinois?
What was the last time we burned and buried women here? Or cut off their heads? If that was happening here and now even in isolated areas--you can bet there would be an out-roar.
Like that their church keeps saying they are peaceful. And they accept that. Since when ? That is not their history. Must be foolish too to believe something where there is no history or facts or foundation to support it.
By the way--I have some good Muslim friends on my page--so don't say I am raciest. They are honest enough to look at themselves and country well.
Shady and veiled charges--NO---concern like every thinking person should be when someone isn't right and call it out. I could go on and on and on I see signs very well. I don't support bad which is why I don't take a party. I'm a Conservationist.
We all seen the links on both sides enough on the web-both contradicting the other. Useless and pointless to close minds. Let's see some actual acceptable papers and facts
This isn't Rocket Science that something isn't right
Who I care to share more with is my business and why--I'm not in office representing others
A good barker doesn't male a good dog nor does a good talker make a good man
Is that your idea of an intellgent answer? What are the lies?--Show me the truth than if you can to all of that.
You know any times we see someone else do something stupid or foolish and we often will say to ourself - 'That's stupid!' And we might have an emotional reaction to this - a sort of jolt of disgust or contempt or unpleasantness or what have you. And than reasonble people will have this jolt for a good reason - it's your brain's way of reminding you not to be stupid like the person you just saw.
Take care--not worth my time.
And it's not that personal with me as I think it is with you.
But my major effort is still trying to keep up with work related issues which involve: creating and implementing renewable energy coursework, labwork, and curriculums; student internships, strategic planning, campus recycling program, outreach to remote communities (distance learning and economic development)...
Yes I understand priorities well.
You have your hands full as I do. Will talk again. I also like reasonableness--must be the science in me. My major
The Bush administration cost the American tax-payer over $11.5 trillion dollars. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/StockInvestingTrading/cost-of-the-bush-era-11-point-5-trillion.aspx
No doubt about it he was an Idiot, Spender and revengeful
Wonder what Obama record is for spending on his election and his first year in office compared to others (other than Bush) I have a guess not good. But I haven't checked
I didn't vote for Clinton but he did have a handle on finances. His strength. And he unlike Bush had a better way of representation of us--which we so need. I have to admire that.
I will send you a personal picture there with Clinton
Realize that people are innately corrupt and self-serving. Only intellectual revelations allow a person to act ethically. Most people have been taught in our school systems to be sheep; to work for the shepard (or the wolf). We as a people currently are not taught to be self-realizing; only if our parents were able to teach us these relationships. These self-realizing relationships are not taught in school; but they should be
I agree.
And sheep don't know they are sheep nor will they admit it. You see well, but I knew that long ago
"Another ethics tool teaches students to relate the qualities of the environment in which a proposed outcome will need to exist, and to determine if what is proposed has a reasonable chance of creating or sustaining that envirnoment."
To many are very short sighted, indeed. And there are many problems. Take for just an example-Even the best-intentioned leaders, find themselves caught in a bind and often lack of knowlege or the future interest to look past our life-time. If they protect their nations' economic interests, the environment suffers somes. If they push for environmental protection, they endanger the economy some.
James, I will be back to visit your site, I respect your intelligence, your own ethics and your courtesy to all who comment, but at my age I do not have the time for fruitless discourse.
I believe that to be true. Our choices were limited. Hope you don't mind I stopped by, I saw this in my mail. And there was much hated for Bush. People needed something to hope for and Obama campaign was change, something people wanted. Rather we got good change or any change at all or it was an election grabber is debatable.
Some good questions were brought up. Hadenough did a good job, she always does.She is one sharp, smart lady. I know her from many groups. And very culturally different groups. She doesn't have problems there with race, age, sex, religion or nationality. So that remark was way out of line and irrational. Rather you agree with her likes or dislikes is not what is in question is it? We also have a right to question and we should have them answer. Not just told to believe this or that without evidence. Doesn't that help us learn? Most of us have thinking ability. Some more than others. Now, not every issue requires long deliberation.
To say, "These veiled and shady charges smack of the Tea Party signs. Or "one is racist or blatant lies for raising good reasoning thoughts and questioning things that should be of a concern is not rational. It will generally not serve much purpose, for example, to correct someone's thoughts until you explain to them the evidence you have to the contrary otherwise it means little and has no reasoning to it. Without doing that, one turns reasoning only into a game to people, a game whose point is arbitrary or unclear and whose rules or methods are external, behavioristic, contrived, and capricious. So what are these lies? I see none there. And I too have seen shows that have showed things that are happening in places which shouldn't go on. And unless people can address that, it won't change. That is in no way racism--it's about right and wrong.
To many people are merely mimicking what rational discussion sounds like to them, but don't have any real understanding. Some seem to think that reasons are only meant to persuade oneself or others. If they do persuade others, as in a debate, political campaign, or courtroom, that is all that matters. Truth, for people with this perspective, is irrelevant or is merely what people can get each other to believe. And if one fails to persuade others of one's viewpoint, that is unfortunate but also unimportant if one has the power to do what he wants to do anyway. Such people see no distinction between good objections to their views and bad objections to their views; they only see persuasive and unpersuasive objections.
Some say that being reasonable is "making things make sense"; i.e., that "something is reasonable when it makes sense." That, I believe, is a step in the right direction. Perhaps it needs to be added that what needs to make sense is ALL the available relevant information be shown, and that ignoring relevant information is not the same thing as making sense out of it.
I like a healthy discussion myself. I agree, "There is no significant ethical structure in our political system"
Sorry for taking so long to reply. I've been working a contract since February and I've not had the desire to update my blog because of the hours I've been putting in.
Your insights are always welcome.
My comment to you is about the concept of "right and wrong". We can tend toward being ethical, or tend toward being unethical, but there are no absolute actions that "right and wrong" would imply. People rarely intend to act wrongly, they simply rationalize to themselves that they are doing the greater good; without putting significant effort into discovery without wilful self-deception.
BP rationalizes that they are making their stockholders money, and that is what they are supposed to do. But they wilfully are redirecting the attention of the United States and the world, away from the major damage they caused to the ocean environment and are focused upon the beaches of the popular tourist attractions.
Many trillions of dollars is needed to repair the damage done under the ocean's surface. Many thousands of years of coral have been destroyed, fish are now contaminated for at least the next 20 years and possibly longer due to the types of minerals coating all the surfaces and the gills bringing those contaminants into their bodies. We are what we eat. For hundreds of years oil artifacts will become a part of our bodies; along with those mutating effectors.
I wonder what illnesses have evolved since the Exxon Valdese, and now the BP spill.
We as humans do not have the right to live, when we have caused over 50% extinction of all life forms that existed in 1800. We are destructive in the extreme, self-serving, greedy, loathsome of all life other than our own... Less than 1 in one million people actively do anything to punish those that destroy our environment (limited and dwindling... nice term for dying). Diversity of life prevents unstable destructive biological events that cause global destruction.
Sorry, got off on a tangent. What the oil companies and Federal government are doing has me very upset.
Back to the point: There are no right and wrong actions. We call something right when we tend toward being ethical. But people generally want to look at a tiny part of the hugely diverse system, and characterize their choice as Right, and ignore the effects upon the larger system.
There are over 40,000 religions in the world. Yet frequently I hear people declare that their adopted religion is righteous (right) and everyone else is wrong; despite not knowing anything about the other 40,000 religions. People choose to think of themselves as Right, even though they don't know much of anything about what they say; nor do they put any significant effort into finding out.
Faith is a place to start. The purpose of faith is to grow the seed of understanding into truth. At which point faith is supposed to be destroyed by truth. But most of us do not take the journey of wilful search for truth; we choose to deceive ourselves because of our lazy minds.
People are by definition "unethical", because we do not have the intellect nor memory capacity to evaluate even a single decision ethically to its full extent. We can try, and that is commendable. But we as a species must continually try to be ethical so that we can work together to make more ethical decisions, together. We need each other to evaluate all possible perspectives. Therefore there is no right and no wrong; even choosing not to be ethical and wilfully choosing to be wrong, can have beneficial consequences. But that's just dumb luck.
My bandstand: People in-general have extremely lazy minds and we refuse to consider the broader impacts of what we do; the broad reaching consequences.
I try, but I'm not an intelligent enough person to see and evaluate these types of relationships. We should have a governmental organization that can evaluate these relationships without bias.
Through the ages, thinkers have debated the issue of right and wrong. Very good reply.
"People choose to think of themselves as Right, even though they don't know much of anything about what they say; nor do they put any significant effort into finding out. So true, and I have to laugh a bit at that as you can see that often.
I see right and wrong as-There defiantly is a right and wrong. Child sacrifices is wrong, I don't care if it is religious or cultural- it's wrong. That goes for a million other things. I don't care what philosophies are out there. Lying, cheating, murder, rape, dishonesty, greed, selfishness, bribery, etc is wrong. Of course, it is one thing to know what is right; it is quite another to have the moral strength to do what is right
The B.P. may try to rationalize that but couldn't that also be excuses for bad behavior? We are known as the Age Of Excuses. There is no doubt that we will feel the affects of that spill for years. Haddie worked on the Exxon spill, I 'm sure she will agree many of the same bad decisions were made on this spill and the same motives- help it along to make it worst. Denial, Lies, cover-up , pointing their figure on everyone but yourself, greed, "refusal to take responsibility and be accountable", excuses, does it really change with some?
Your link. Good read. "Ethics should be a formal part of every class from pre-school to doctoral presentation." I agree good moral standards make a healthy society. I agree about Bush too. Obama himself has weaken the nation more with many of his decisions. I agree also-"People in-general have extremely lazy minds and we refuse to consider the broader impacts of what we do; the broad reaching consequences"
Corruption, moral decay has grown so widespread and "sophisticated" that it threatens to undermine the very fabric of society. For some, being corrupt may be the easiest way—or indeed the only way—to get what they want. It's not only a lazy world but a selfish world, depraved of true values. We don't like to hear that about ourselves-- often we too "rationalize" it to be something other than what it is. As corruption snowballs, it becomes more acceptable until it is finally a way of life. Two powerful forces keep stoking the fires of corruption: selfishness and greed. Because of selfishness, corrupt, immoral people turn a blind eye to the suffering that their corruption inflicts on others, and they justify simply because they benefit from it.
One of humanity’s special traits is to ask thoughtful questions about what we should or should not do. A hungry dog finding a piece of meat on a picnic table would hardly ponder whether it should eat the morsel. But we have the capacity for weighing the morality and consequences of our decision.
I noticed you didn't back it up with good reasoning. Just a rant. Can you produce the missing papers? Are you saying that stuff doesn't happen in that country? Because that is fact.
If you were responsible and had some true decent values--you would apologize for this and produce your proof.
Will send soon. Thank you 