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James Dunn

Narrow minds and legislators are at it again to regulate the natural state of the human body, being nude.  In Vermont, where there are no laws against being nude, a few people are now trying to regulate this natural state because of a few people in one city.

When does a society make laws based upon the actions of a few?  When there is a desire to make some money from a small percentage of the masses.  Consider 10 million people, 1% is 100,000 people.  Get a few dollars extra from each and a small organization can get $300,000 of additional funds to line their own pockets.  The greater masses suffer with the burden of increased legislation, but for the few they gain much more profits.

The following is my response:

Inspired by: http://www.kensavage.com/archives/vermont-teens-are-naked-in-public-and-its-legal/comment-page-1/#comment-74526

Nudity is accepted all over Europe in many cities, and even more districts of cities. All across Asia and Africa nudity is just a part of life. One woman laughed at me as two people were helping each other bathe nude with a bucket of water at a public bathing site.

“You Americans, you are so concerned about the most silly things!”

Of only 75 years ago, one person’s lifetime, the majority of all rural peoples bathed outside in the United States. There was no inside plumbing.

When did the human body become so distasteful that we ourselves had to regulate against its’ exposure?

In corporate management a well used tool to control its employees, is to favor one group over another. In so doing, the favored group works diligently to subjugate all the other employees. The masses make small profit, while the few favored make a little more, but the instigators have yachts and mansions. Doesn’t sound fair, does it?

The corporation uses various tools like telling everyone that a chosen person has higher importance than others and showing them favoritism. Making that favored person think they live on some higher standard. When in fact they are just being manipulated to do the bidding of a soulless corporation.

There are over 40,000 religions in the world. The vast majority do not criticize a person being nude. The naked body is recognized as an “uninteresting” part of life. Notice that pornography is not a significant interest for most of humanity. But here in the United States where we condemn respectfully being nude, pornography is of the greatest interest.

If you’ve ever been to a nude beach, you know that after just a short time you feel awkward having your clothes on. Upon shedding your clothes you notice that nobody cares that you are naked. Only those with clothes on notice, to any great extent, that the people around them are enjoying the wind, water, and Sun upon their naked bodies.  Everyone nude is simply enjoying the wind, water, and Sun.

Narrow minds are the mainstay of public corruption. They act upon the ramblings of leaders they choose because they say what they want to hear (that they are significant for following their teachings), leaders who themselves are self-serving puppets.

Everyone wants to have good self-esteem and to be respected by others.  But when people have developed nothing that they can see as worthy of respect, they attempt to force others to respect them through moral higher ground.  Morality is a completely different concept than ethical consideration.  Morality teaches stoning women for being raped in Iran.  Ethical consideration determines that a woman raped is a victim, not a perpetrator.

These leaders stir up discontent amongst their followers to give them a sense of higher ethical pride. To get money loose in their pockets; so the leader gets paid. The lowest of non-ethical vermin; these leaders falsely use sweet words to defile true ethical consideration.

Everyone subjugated by these vermin should stand and organize against these consistent acts to regulate human life, when they use these acts to further subjugate more peoples for their own selfish purposes.

I stand against oppression.

I stand for ethical consideration.

I implore everyone of ethical conscience to stand against frivolous laws that subjugate the masses for the purpose of corporate (including religion corporations) power and profit.

The purpose of Faith is to be destroyed by Truth. Yet these so called leaders do nothing legitimate to seek Truth. They simply make unqualified and unethical statements to stir up people, who themselves do not want to think for themselves.

Rationalizing unethical statements is like saying the Sun is good because it brings life to the Earth. But the Sun also brings death. The Sun is neither good nor bad, it just exists; like the nude form of humans.

If everyone were nude, who would care?

James


8 Comments
starfishred wrote on Sep 4, '10
great blog james really great :)
hadenough1 wrote on Sep 4, '10, edited on Sep 4, '10
Not sure all feel that way James

Clearly, this has a positive side and a negative side. Are you looking at both sides well?
There is a dark side to this here, one that cannot be ignored
It's a very morally depraved world too. I have seen you mention that before.

There is also the danger of succumbing to the subtle pressure of thoughts that sound good but don't produce good.

I have been to Africa, yes some places it is more acceptable, but don't think most don't watch their children and hold firm punishment for those who step out of boundaries. Will we do that here?? I'm not so sure and I would hate to think some would be hurt by it.

We have a nude beach not far from where I live, your right most don't think anything of it. And most real naturalist could care less if you have clothes on or off. I know some true naturalist. Where they live a life that follows their belief. But some will complain about others with clothes -often those who are into more and looking for something else entirely than just a free attitude but use that idea. But they have issues there too and often, You will find security there has many stories unlike most resorts would find. And dangerous ones. And to the people around. It does attract some you don't want around.



Clothing is for a protection in several ways. Let's not dismiss that.


I'm certainly not going to run around buck naked in the winter or in a field where I would sit in a thicket weed. Wouldn't be to my benefit.

Nor am I ashamed of my body-but maybe I am fortunate there and others are not so.
Nor do I find the human body disgusting.

I agree if attitudes were different and the atmosphere is "safer" there shouldn't be a problem. But is it just attitudes and narrow mindless that keeps this at bay? I think there is much more, maybe if we address that first, you'll see a change

I stand for consideration too-- taking in all "what is "-as well as what we would like it to be

Interesting topic as usual

jamesbdunn wrote on Sep 4, '10, edited on Sep 4, '10
Hadi,

There are no absolute controls that can be put into place, that will prevent any one person from being harmed. Even if everyone were put into prison, some would be harmed. So enforce the laws we have for violence, and allow people the freedom to go skinny dipping and hanging out in public with their friends.

Nude in private allows for sexual impulse; in public the edge is taken off. If you've ever been in a nude social setting, you find that most people become somewhat sexually de-tuned. Impulse plays less of a role in social interactions.

One of the main problems I see in governments everywhere, is that gaining political power is based upon gaining financial support from groups seeking special consideration. Sound ethical judgement is based upon broad consideration of all needs, so that broad consequences are considered. Our government in its present form accentuates special interest groups because it puts money in their pockets and power in play.

Yet in most public school systems ethics is banned from being taught. Only in college are people allowed to take courses to investigate the tools for considering an ethical outcome.

Politics lives steeped in corruption; special interest groups supporting a representative that looks out for their interests despite the needs of the masses; Bush as an obvious example.

I understand that people corrupted seek unethical means to act upon any impulse that they feel. However, people steeped in ethical consideration would find it difficult to act upon impulse.

Whenever a society makes a law that circumvents the desires of a local community, they are treading heavily upon the quality of life for that community's individuals. A local community should have the right to choose various lifestyles, different than those around them. Where is the freedom for the individual if they can not choose to live in diverse communities. If there are no diverse communities, then that society is condemned to revolt.

Acts against humanity need to be dealt with at the sources, not by covering up the problem by hiding the symptoms. People that act violently against other people, especially those weaker physically than themselves, need to have their lives analyzed and remove the cause for violence at the seed/root level.

A person that rapes little boys and girls will do so whether they are clothed or not. Boys/Men/Girls/Women will presently physically fight over problems with budding relationships. Because they have no bases in analyzing the consequences of their actions. Ethical consideration when taught, provides the tools for anticipating consequences.

Blacks Beach in La Jolla California has hundreds of nude families on the beach during most Summer days; thousands of people. I've never seen a fight. Strangers play volleyball together and help one another climb and carry coolers and such up and down the cliffs. The environment if anything is more friendly than typical beaches.

In the case of Brattleboro, the kids were respectful of everyone and their property. They are activist that are stating that they want to act differently without being punished. They want to push the system and have a little fun. So making laws to prevent them from expressing their desire to walk on the edge will certainly cause them to walk the edge differently. Perhaps not paying a portion of their taxes, acting abusive toward others because they are being abused.... The point being, respectful teenagers will likely be pushed into the corrupt world the rest of us live.

When I was growing up, skinny dipping was what you did if you wanted to go swimming at the lake. Walking around in wet clothes wasn't comfortable. The fresh water felt great. ..... Now it's a crime.

James
hadenough1 wrote on Sep 4, '10, edited on Sep 4, '10
James, I agree, the Government seems to want to be into every part of our lives now and I don't think that is right.

Money is the game and who controls

"A person that rapes little boys and girls will do so whether they are clothed or not. "
We know that certain images set some off more to fulfill those desires. That just a fact. Many molesters have said they see a nude body in a magazine and semi nude and they go hunting. Yes they will do it rather clothes or not but the fact is-open nudity does encourage not discourage--so is it worth someone getting hurt???? Or do you believe that attitude would change as more are more open??
I could cite where in history that allowing more hasn't changed more often to the better. But that is possible.


"In the case of Brattleboro, the kids were respectful of everyone and their property. They are activist that are stating that they want to act differently without being punished. They want to push the system and have a little fun."

Hmmm are you telling me that was a good way to prove a point with your body rather than mind?

I wouldn't want the females in my family to foolishly think sexual behavior has no effect or that it is harmless. They have more going for them than that.
You must have seen and know some women business friends and many will tell you when they go to a meeting. Their treated like sugar by the "Good OL ' Boys." Well educated women but some never took them serious for her mind.
Women have a hard enough time being really respected and many are making it worst. BTW here in this place and the way it is now-does not change the fact this is demeaning to what women deserve and hurting what women fought very hard to get in the past and some died for--Respect. Respect that comes from using their mind not their body

Women fought long and very hard for years to not have to use their bodies but to be able to use their mind and be respected for it. It started a movement. And many women today benefit from it. That should make women think more of their actions and how it affects this world

Are we going backwards again and saying the body will prove the point better?? Should issues be helped and decided and defined by what we wear or not wear or by what we are and can reason on ?


I remember those days James very well the water was nice.And I have fond memories. The people were nice but we didn't parade down the streets. Privacy is a nice thing too

Just my view James but the way this world is now--I would say no to that. But not because I find the body shameful. I think many others share that. Give them some credit too for that.

Clearly, this has a positive side and a negative side.
jamesbdunn wrote on Sep 4, '10, edited on Sep 4, '10
Men/Boys that are socially nude with Women/Girls very often respect one another well beyond physical attributes. How much can you look at nude people without becoming complacent? I have tremendous respect for women and men based upon there personal developments. Whether music, art, mechanical ability, poetry, social grace... people are rich with abilities.

I would say there would be less discrimination if men didn't look at women as though they were pretty ornaments. If people were not ornamental in their clothing, then people would notice their other abilities.

The most interesting nude person visually for me is someone whom is healthy and animated.

The most valued nude person for me is my wife.

The most intriguing nude person for me is the one with the most interesting conversation of the moment. Or any person for that matter.

Unless men can look past the make-up and clothing, they won't see anything of substance. I fight continuously with myself not reading a book by its cover. Judging people (male/female) by their accomplishments instead of their "look".

I frequently catch myself trying to find a "general trait" that will tell me who is honest, has good work ethics, works well with other employees, adequately implement their declared skill set... like their name, how well they dress, their ability to write, tone of voice.... but at the end of the day none of these are real indicators. A person must be judged upon their ability create an accomplishment.

This is a learned respect for other people; based upon broad considerations.


The glass ceiling for women is being lifted, and indeed women entrepreneurs are dominating new businesses. I hope that when women take over the majority of all business they don't create a glass ceiling for the men. :.)
hadenough1 wrote on Sep 4, '10
"IF"

Liking Science like I do "IF' can go a long way. Theories are not always fact. And outcomes not always what we expect. Guess time will tell here on did it have impact enough and what the outcome will be.

Enjoyed the discussion


jamesbdunn wrote on Sep 4, '10
Hadi,

I enjoy the opportunity to exercise my perspectives. I hope that whatever I say doesn't offend you. The intent is to motivate yourself and others to offer critical alternative perspectives so that my own foundations grow.

Thank you for taking the time, and making the effort, to express yourself.

James
hadenough1 wrote on Sep 4, '10
Been through to many times and years for me to take offence from any of your views. I respect them.
I enjoy healthy discussion as always.

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